“But somebody like the pastor whose community I’d been involved with [through the high school], his theology is like, “No, I build a wall between me and the outside world. And then every so often, I go into the world with blinders on and I grab some people and I coax them behind the wall with me. That is the only way to do it.””
Source: https://www.vox.com/culture/23498429/whale-interview-samuel-hunter-writer-christian#moscow